A Danger to Herself and Others is a Quest in Divinity: Original Sin II. In your travels, you meet a physician beside himself with worry over a recent patient. It turns out that the patient is afflicted with some sort of sickness. Will you be able to help her?
Important NPCs
- Natalie Bromhead
- Gregorius Swann
A Danger to Herself and Others Objectives
- Meet the healer Gregorius Swann near the Stonegarden Cemetery.
- Convince him to let your party into his house to see the patient.
- Enter the cellar.
- Cure the woman. (choice)
- Kill the woman. (choice)
A Danger to Herself and Others Walkthrough
Northeast of Stonegarden Cemetery, you will come across a healer's home. Persuade him to tell you about his troubles and let you into his house to cure an afflicted Sourcerer.
Follow the healer into the cellar, and from here, you will have 2 options: kill her or cure her. If you approach her with a non-Scholar character, there will be no option to cure her and the only recourse is to kill all the enemies that appear. If you approach her with a [SCHOLAR] character, however, you can point out that she is suffering from a trepanation wound, and the healer will ask you not to kill her during the ensuing fight so he can attempt to cure her. In any case, both ways will lead to the sourcerer and attacking you, summoning 4 enemies that will join her in the fight (they are labelled as Natalie's Anguish, Natalie's Fury, Natalie's Despair, and Natalie's Fear)
In the ensuing fight, you will face off with 4 Natalie emotion monsters and Natalie herself. Each will award 10775XP (2700 in Definitive) when killed. If you choose to cure her, you will have to weaken her by dropping her to low health. The moment you weaken her, however, all emotions despawn. Thus, for maximum XP gain, it is crucial to kill off all 4 emotions before weakening her.
After you successfully weaken her, you will engage in dialogue to begin the surgery. In order to ensure she doesn't die from surgery, you will need to start the operation as soon as possible. Note that there is a hidden stat check for Intelligence and Finesse required to successfully perform the surgery. It is quite low, however, so simply casting Clear Mind on any character with base stats of 10 should be enough to clear the check. Afterwards, pick the dialogue options:
"Ask Swann to help keep her steady."
"Select a pair of delicate tweezers and gently try to remove the maggot"
and finally "Slowly close up the wound".
You will successfully cure her and receive 13450XP for your troubles. Speak to Gregorius Swann to obtain 50 Attitude, and an epic-quality reward of your choice. He will also be available as a healer and trader from now onwards (his healing spell will damage Undead though). The quest is complete at this point.
If she doesn't survive from surgery, you gain no XP and you will lose attitude points with Swann. The quest will be complete, as if you killed her yourself (except you receive no XP from killing her compared to if you went with the "kill her" route in the beginning).
If you choose to kill her, simply finish off all enemies and the quest is complete.
Rewards:
- 5800XP for persuading the healer to let you into his home.
- 10775XP for killing each Natalie emotion and Natalie herself, for a total of 53,875XP if you decide to go for the "Kill her" route.
- 10775XP for killing each Natalie emotion (2700 in Definitive) and 13450XP for curing Natalie, for a total of 56,550XP if you go for the "Cure her" route.
- Gregorius Swann will be available as a healer and trader, along with +50 Attitude and an Epic reward of your choice if you successfully manage to cure her.
Tips and Tricks:
- Use a [SCHOLAR] character to persuade Gregorius Swann to let you help
- Use a [SCHOLAR] character when approaching Natalie Bromhead to allow curing her.
AnonymousUse armor piercing like marksman fang to 1 shot the monsters
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I blew her up with a fireball leaving her with 20hp and burning, triggering the dialog, got to cure her but then... she died to burning lmao
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Boyfriend and I just reduced both her magic and physical armor then knocked her down. Health was also half so that might have helped along with chill.
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I got her down to 1 hit point and she is still fighting me...
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Yea it works - ask the healer to hold her steady, then go for the 2 gentler options afterwards, you'll get good ending ^^
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You need the scholar trait when talking to her before engaging the fight, if not she will die no matter what
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After curing her you can kill them both, you get exp for the original persuasion, then for each minion, then for curing her, then an extra 2k for killing the guy and 10k for killing her while she lies on the ground
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5400 EXP for persuasion on DE. tried all 3 and all gave same EXP
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Brought the girl down to 2 hp and knocked her down. No dialog. Reloading dosen't help. Pretty sure it's a bug or something
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Cure route for max XP. Also be careful if you use dual weapons as you can kill her on ur last hit.
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you can do the surgery and after you succeed and got all your reward...KILL HER FOR MORE EXP. If he healer accuse you of murder just bribe him..400gold for 11k exp? not a bad deal.. not a bad deal at all
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I explicitly chose the 'Tweezers' option during the 2nd step, and the game instead gave me the text for the Forceps question, resulting in her death?
Not sure if this is a bug, or if there's a hidden stat check even when using the Scholar Character?
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Definitive Edition XP:
+5400 xp for persuading Swann in dialogue
+2700 xp per summon from Natalie (10,800 xp total) Note: this doesn't seem to change whether you decide to kill or cure Natalie
+13,450 xp and epic loot choice for curing Natalie vs only 10,775 xp and no loot for killing her
Best option for most xp and loot seems to be the "curing" route.
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What can't the special dialogue simply trigger if the scholar character is in your party, without the need to lead the encounter with them ? If the scholar isn't your main character you're likely to miss the good ending completely. That bafflingly bad quest design in a game that aces this aspect most of the time. I don't get it.
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You don't seem to need high int to cure her.
Had high Wits and 11 INT, 10 finesse.
Have the guy keep her steady, then choose the most gentle options from there.
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If the girl has "Resist Death," she survives the procedure no matter what you pick. You get the achievement by speaking to her after the surgery but before Resist Death wears off - and then she immediately dies.
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I didn't know how to save her so i thought you couldn't (i suspected you could though, i just didn't look it up), so I defeated her and left. I came back near the end of act II and Swann is dead in the basement :( I've no idea what happened xD
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Use Pierce damage for ez emotion kills. They have very high armor, but very low actual health.
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Make sure you approach her with a scholar! Otherwise you won't get the option to save her!
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You can do all of this without the healer if you lack the persuasion. Break into his house from the back, confront her with the scholar and proceed as normal. Fight her, defeat the monsters and weaken her.
After she falls, use clear mind on the person doing the surgery and just choose the gentle options. You can still heal her without the healer and still complete the mission. Just talk to the healer after returning upstairs
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She was dying in a pool of cursed blood--then I cast Bless and she died anyway
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done some tests. you can do the operation with 10 finesse and 12 int which you can get with some food.i used honey for +2 int. also i used a scholar for the surgeon if that matters
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Be aware that it's possible to accidentally kill her with an Attack of Opportunity depending on how she decides to path around your characters while you're killing the emotions.
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Damn that Barbarian background sucks sometimes... can´t be a empathetic Conan after all
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interesting way to quickly kill the emotion summons as they have quite high magic/phys but very low actual hp. I used a combination of marksmans fang (~140-160 pierce damage and only a 2 turn cooldown) it insta kills them each time, and summon condor, which, if your summon level is high enough, has two attacks (main, and one skill based) that are both piercing attacks. If you summon the condor then, then wait for the cooldown to reset, then engage the girl with your "Scholar" tagged character. Tou can drop one instantly with marks fang, a second with the condor that same turn, use the rest of the party to support the condor and archer while also working on the girls armor. Next round the condor takes another emotion summon, round after that, marks fang the last one, condor has support incase marks fang misses/hits low damage. took three rounds of combat on a two man lone wolf to kill all 4 and trigger the even with the girl.
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is it a new thing that when she dies all the summons are "freed" with permanent enraged? Bc that was a difficult fight.
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For any wondering why weakening her isn't triggering the operation, for me it was because I wasn't initiating the encounter with my Scholar tagged character. When approaching her in the basement let your Scholar drive and choose the Scholar dialogue choice to enter combat. I also buffed my Scholar with INT, potion and clear mind, because my Scholar was not an INT build. Doing this I was finally able to complete the good ending to the quest and bag the extra XP from the emotion demons.
Used scholar, tried to save her, knock her down, put her to sleep. Trip her with ice. Nothing happen no dialog. This quest is busted.
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I returned to check on her, and she is really mad at me! lol She asks, "Haven't you done enough harm already? Stay away from me." I have an option that says "Offer a gift. Perhaps it can heal old wounds." Does anyone know how to successfully win her back? I tried giving her all kinds of things. T_T She still hates me.
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'...simply casting Clear Mind on any character with base stats of 10 should be enough to clear the check.' - Wrong
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I'm not even getting the option to try and cure her it's forcing me to kill her. I had her down to 5hp but the fight didn't end
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There appears to be some sort of hidden skill check here - first tried w/ the Red Prince, who has scholar but is a melee character so low int. Failed the operation. Then tried with another character, scholar caster with high int, and the operation succeeded.
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Surgery part is a pain in the ass. Ended up casting and encourage and peace of mind on the surgeon and used the options above.
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ye i thought something is wrong... my tank (Best) talked with her since he was in front and he's not a scholar
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IF YOU USE A KNOCKDOWN ARROW ON HER ALL THE SUMMONS DIE AND YOU GET FULL XP
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So, like many other quests, you can cure her first than kill her and the guy, and get extra xp as well.
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a few fixes for issues i had: -do not break in to the house and start the fight early -there are TWO scholar checks, one outside, and one in the cellar, make sure your scholar chalacter walks towards natalie, if this is not your main character. a general combat note, the emotions cant use ladders, teleport them onto the ledge on the left side of the room and they cant get down, use an archer or a mage to pick them off.
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To keep her from dying during the fight, I cast "Living on the Edge" on her, then one shot her.Turns out I poisoned her without noticing, and after successfully completing the surgery and finishing the mission, "Living on the Edge" wore off and the poison killed her. WOOPS
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Was xp from emotions nerfed for definitive edition? I only got 2700 xp per emotion
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I highly recommend casting Restoration or First Aid on Natalie before attempting (or during, with another character) the surgery. She died on every attempt unless I restored her to full health.
1. Ask swann to help keep her steady. 2. Select a pair of delicate tweezy blablabla.. 3. Quickly close up the wound
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If you have a ranger in your party and some teleport options, line up the emotions and use Marksman's Fang on them. Because the emotions have high shield and low hp, it should one shot all of them.
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There's a bug where if you simply approach her (without directly clicking on her) there is no scholar dialogue option, and thus no way to not kill her and save her.
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I killed every emotion while trying to save her, and then accidentally one shotted her because my shield was too strong.
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if you don't have a scholar and end up killing her then you can visit her spirit in stonegarden at X:578 Y:160
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Failed every time using the above guide
I instead had Swann hold her steady, use tweezers. and slowly close wound to be successful
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I chose to close up the wounds quickly because she was bleeding and was fading - so one would think taking my time with closing it up would be a bad thing BUT NO, I ended up redoing the last hour again since the autosave is*****ty too. this slow-fast thing is ridiculous since they are totally subjective, careful or careless would have been more adequate.
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Gregorious Swann is the best potion vendor in Act 2, since he sells stat potions along with the physical armor and magic armor potions.
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Failed about 20 times using different ways and preparations, while I didn't select my intelligence player (Lohse for me).
-Heal her.
-Start operation
-Ask Swann to hold here
-Do the rest gently and slowly.
Worked for me with the first try.
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Each time you pick something wrong, you damage her. Depending on health she can die from the wrong choice. That's why there are so many different answers here. It's not an always fail, if you pick wrong thing.
Best thing to do is just heal her after she's been subdued and follow the choices the wiki says.
I don't know if different attacks have a better chance of knocking her out, but once all the emotions are killed my rogue back stabbed her once and that ended the fight. Knockdowns also give a msg about her being too strong. I assume if she's low health and you KD her the fight will end.
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Kill her monsters before attacking her directly. Then do the surgery and you’ll be successful. If you attack her first you will kill her.
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I don't know if some people are trolling or not...No need for int peace of mind or any attribute....
.Simply ...Heal Her before the operation...
Have Sven to hold her..
Then do the operation....
I usually choose Gently remove and Slowly close wound....Havent tried the other options but my guess is that she takes damage from wrong options...So if you dont heal her she dies.
You need to approach her with a Scholar character before the fight.
HOW DO I STOP THE FIGHT to do the surgery? I killed all the summons and left her with 9 HP. The fight keeps going...
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For some reason my successful operation was a bit different:
1. "Slice back her scalp and set to work on her skull with a bone saw"
2. "Select a pair of delicate tweezers and gently try to remove the maggot"
3. "Slowly close up the wound"
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If you kill her she (her ghost) can later be found in the cemetery
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Completed the surgery with my tank. Not much in Intelligent or finesse at all. Following the guide killed her. So I had Swann hold her down first (this skips the first stage) then followed the guide accordingly.
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You do require a small amount of Int and Finesse to complete the surgery.
I was able to complete it with my scholar spellblade instantly, however in my first playthrough, I couldn't complete it until I used Clear Mind on a finesse character. So the int check is definitely low. Nor sure how low the finesse requirement is.
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Each emotion has a different effect when attacking.
Natalie's Fear - Terrify
Natalie's Fury - Blind
Natalie's Despair - Hardly ever melees, mostly casts
Natalie's Anguish - Hardly ever melees, mostly casts
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Quickly closing the wound seems to work more often than slowly. Had to reload many times due to this page's faulty advice!
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Now I can't stop fighting her, even though she only has 14 HP left. Last time it didn't happen like this.
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Fixing her scalp afterwards has a hidden int check. My 10 int character did it successfully with Peace of Mind(fire buff) + Encourage(human buff)
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I failed this multiple times on Str and Fin characters and passed it on an Int character. Whether the tweezers dialogue succeeds or not seems to be a hidden Fin check that seems to do nothing.
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There seems to be more than just the Scholar tag neccessary to find the scars. And 17 wits was not enough somehow.
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if you teleport anything onto gregorius he will aggro and bust the quest. make sure he takes no damage.
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I tested this with my entire team and it seems to a hidden Intelligence check. My Mage passed the operation no problem.
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You need to approch her with a Scholar so you can have dialogue a specific dialogue option first and then choose to help her. Then the fight begin.
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I succeeded on my conjurer (high wits/constitution), failed on all other party members.
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How is she supposed to be weakened? I killed all her fears and downed her to 10 hp, knock down, charmed and all, but she just keeps on fighting.
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When I used Sebille (35 finese rogue) and picked the exact same options, the girl died. When I used other characters like Fane (mage), she lived.... Umm..
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There's a neat way to defeat the demons I used.
1. Initiate the fight.
2. Retreat with all characters to the house.
3. Select only your rogue.
4. Descend down the hatch.
5. On closest emotion use: Sawtooth Knife, Backstab, adrenaline, (some other armor piericng attack), invis.
6. Retreat to the top.
7. Repeat.
The demons have very high protection but very low health, armor-piercing greandes might also help. I'm playing on tactitian.
I approached her with the Red Prince who I had playing as my tank, since he had the scholar tag. (40+ strength and only 10 finesse)
After the fight, she was very low on health so I used my healer to top her off (while the red prince was in dialog). From that point I failed at least a dozen times to save her. I had accidentally advanced the dialog after the fight and my game auto-saved over the previous save and I couldn't undo it in anyway (I didn't want to go back to my previous manual save which was 2 hours prior). I tried anything and everything at my disposal, and nothing would work. I even tried killing my tank who was in the conversation with her, in hopes that I could reset the dialog, however you cannot damage them when they are talking to another npc.
I did finally figure it out after about 30 minutes of messing about. I used "Peace of Mind" on my tank, which raised his finesse by 3 and other attributes. The surgery was a success! I absolutely love this game and this was such a stressful moment for me, because I am trying (in this play through) to save as many people as I can.
Hello, managed to do this mission by simply removing natalie's armor then using a charm arrow (not knowing about alla this XP i lost).
Also I was able to perform the surgery with my 10 finesse mage and without the help of swan by chossing "Open her skull with a hammer" "Select a pair of delicate tweezers and gently try to remove the maggot", and finally "Slowly close up the wound.
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it is based on finesse. i tried with my highest finesse char and it instantly worked.
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[Scholar] ur way into the celler, then talk to the doctor again, saying that u notice something more, then just do damage and knock her out.. then wait for the good doctor to come back and assist you, always choose the slower option and twizers and ask doctor for help :) and success complete :)
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I have read that finesse could increase the chance, but I am not sure if it is true. Then used Sebille, my Scoundrel + Scholar, charmed Encourage and ate the + finesse food, and then chose the options: steady, tweezers, slowly. And it worked. However, it is possible that the selection is Random.
i'm so glad Sebille turned out to be a brain surgeon
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