Past Mistakes is a Quest in Divinity: Original Sin II. A powerful sourcerer is being held captive, but it may not be long before he escapes his prison. Will you be able to stop him before he does?
Important NPCs
- Karon
Past Mistakes Objectives
- Defeat Karon, the Mistake.
Past Mistakes Walkthrough
The Mistake is held as a prisoner in a Magister prison, and you can reach there through the sewers.
The easiest and fastest way into the sewers is to follow the dead Magisters. First, cast Spirit Vision in the Magister's Barracks and speak to Wainslow as shown in the picture below. Agree to help him find Bannet, and find Bannet's corpse near the sewer, shown in the second picture. Cast Spirit Vision again and speak to Bannet's spirit, then enter the sewer (NOTE : The book "Report Of The Toyseller" may be found on Brannt's body instead of on the desk in the 2nd secret room under the Barrack's kitchen).
Head to the south and you will soon see his cage as in the picture below. There is a locked iron grate here which you can use to get to where he is, but you'll still have to teleport down. When you reach the boy's cage, cast Spirit Vision and you will see dead Seekers trying to seal the Mistake forever. You can leave them be or break the boy's cage, but if you break his cage, be prepared for a hard fight.
In order to break his cage, you will need to light the 5 brasiers. The seekers will actively blow out the fire if you try to light the brasiers, so a spell like Fireball may be required. (You can also use lock-picks, or teleports or some other tricks.)
In any case, once all 5 braziers have been lit, he will be free and transform into a powerful Godwoken mage. Another way to free him is to use Source Vampirism on him. He will break free and remark on how you attacked a child. After a brief conversation, he will attack you, along with 4 other undead minions. Make him realize his mistake. Note that he can resurrect his undead minions if they die, and perform source vampirism on your characters to steal their source. The undead minions give no XP when killed, but killing Karon will give 188,650XP. Once he is killed, you will receive another 96,950XP and the quest will be complete. You can cast Spirit Vision at this point and talk to his spirit to find out why he's so bitter in the first place, if you so choose.
Note that if you leave the area without killing the mistake, later when you revisit the place, you will find that he's already escaped, thanks to the foolishness of the Paladins. You can still light the braziers to summon and fight him though, but this time, you won't be facing any of his minions. Killing him will grant the same XP as above. You could also travel to Linder Kemm's mansion to find him slaughtering citizens. (NOTE: If you use the waypoint to Kemm's gardens, you will not initiate this fight. You must enter through town.)
Loot the Level 19 crossbow Vord Emver on one of his minions.
Update: In the Definitive Edition, Karon will escape from his cage (and remove all of the Seeker spirits except Wrenley) after you leave (so he will be missing when you return). Karon appears right after you pass the Path of Blood instead. However, at that point, you should generally be strong enough to defeat him without much issues.
Rewards:
- 188,650XP for killing Karon.
- 96,950XP upon completion of this quest.
- 1 Talent Point if you defeat him in the Lucian’s Crypt (Persuasion check, Definitive Edition)
AnonymousFor some reason he loses all his armor after a reload, whether into the automatically created save file or a quicksave
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I managed to kill him instantly by putting an item in the location he teleports to lol
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My bug was that minions seemed to have 0 magic armor, but when I tried to charm them I got "resisted by magic armor".
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just teleported the kid out of the caged into a poison puddle, it died instantly and completed the quest without even having to fight lol
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Looks like Karon is scripted to go first. Pre spread. He killed only half my party because the other half were immune to poison dmg. The survivors were chain charmed by the skellies after he went down. Was pretty funny watching how things would unfold, as I had zero control for a while XD.
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Just as a heads up, his initiative is STUPIDLY broken. My 58 wasn't enough and got instantly killed so he vanished.
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Had level up during this fight, then loaded a save from an earlier state of the fight. Won the fight, but no level up??? Found out you have to play this specific fight without loading in between or you will lose a lot of XP (tested multiple times, on Tactician). You only get the quest XP but not the XP for killing the boss if you load during this encounter. Maybe this relates to the bug others reported about the boss being weaker.
At first I was getting my a** kicked so I quit the game toward the end of the battle as it was clear my 2 person team was gonna die anyway. When I restarted, the game started right at the beginning of the battle as expected, except Karon had no armor? I swear he had armor the first time. Anyway, made the fight a helluva lot easier!
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Wait, he said he'd meet me at Lucian's grave?! This is not what is mentioned here? Curve call from walkthrough lmao
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I teleported him outside the cage and he said "attacking a child?, that's dark" LMAO
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Easy fight on any kevel. Place a barrel or a crate on a ledge above him. Start the fight. Shoot the crate. He'll drop dead and you still can loot for great crossbow and get the xp
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Had the same issue as below, well it made the fight much easier.
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Somehow had the Karon guy same hp as the child when he was caged. I believe the bug is replicated by initiating the fight and loading the nearest autosave.....
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You can easily cheese this fight if you tp all the minions to the hidden room in the back
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Last DE version: about 103k + 96k at the same time and quest finished after killing him, but the minions didn't die with him and no XP from them.
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Talk to Gareth in the Hall of Echoes after killing Karon, tell him The Mistake is dead and he'll give you a choice of epic quality loot
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i had a bug with his fight that if i start the fight than reload the autosave his PHY armor and MAG armor is gone
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If you are having a problem with Karon, consider using deathfog. There's plenty of deathfog stash in the sewers, just break one next to Karon. The Mistake is actually him not being undead. The only problem is that you might need Tornado skill or steam to remove the deathfog.
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Got no XP for killing him, just 96,950 for the completion of the quest :(
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One of my followers said the kid was suspicious so I hit him with tentacle lash. Saved me time!
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I teleported all the bodies to the center of the room and then moved my aerothurge far out of the room. I triggered the fight and cast thunderstorm from a distance. The aerothurge didn't trigger the fight for some reason, the whole storm went through and killed all of Karon's minions.
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If you leave him in the cage, you can later encounter him in Lucian's tomb. After killing him there, cast spirit vision, pass persuation check and he will give the character that talked to him an additional talent point.
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Talk to Gareth to get reward when you killed Karon.
DE: I have a bug in sewer fight, at the start of the battle, system will autosave and then I loaded the autosave, Karon become unarmored and didn't cast his powerful spells
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Teleport all the dead bodies out of there before fighting Karon.
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Of you don't fight him where he spawns, but fight him later some place else, does anybody know if you can get the nice unique crossbow still?
It's mentioned that this crossbow is loot from one of his minions and aparently he fights alone in the second place, so no minions.
Thanks!
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By far one of the worst fights in the entire game, his minions spam charmed arrows / potions on top of casting dominate mind every single turn. To add insult to injury you can't use items held by a dominated characters.
What on earth were they thinking with this bs
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If you have dagger assassin out of combat and let tank take all the dmg till its tanks turn, assassin can oneshot Karon with Mortal blow. I have lvl 18 party in hard difficulty. I have to say it was really anticlimactic fight.
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Definitive edition: first time he started with apotheosys, cast three top spell instakilling two of mine, than the charmer charmed a third which instakilled my fourth character, just to be himself easily dispatched when the charm weared off. I got no chance to move at all.
Second time he cast just two average spell and I easily won the battle in two turns.
That's so random and annoying!
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to make the fight easier, after and while he shows his true form i simply just teleported the dead bodies in the cages(after lock picking them) to a further location or the area a little behind the original cage he was in with a character out of dialogue...fight was much easier..even though you'd still have to deal with the others after you defeat him.
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Stupid fight. Karon is not the problem but the 4 minions are. They spam charm arrows and bombs. Min. 2 of your party will perma charmed the whole fight. Not to forget the perma disease an cursed the whole party. One of the most annoying fight in this game. And the best: you get 0 XP if yu kill them. 0 !
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I lockpicked his cage and killed him in child form and then his corpse just stood in the middle of circle and all the seekers vanished weird lol
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I killed him and all his minions in prison but then I found his remains near Linder Kemm's mansion. That is probably a bug.
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Lol, i casted Flaming crescendo on Karon when he was in child form to prepare fighting him but then when i striked him, he got out of the cage, transform into the his original form with armors and increased health, then died instantly from Flaming crescendo.
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Anyone else have the damn game crash on them during the fight in Lucian's tomb? I was down to my last enemy and the game just went kaput, when the only other crash I'd experienced was the "wedding cake" crash that's well-documented. Super annoying!
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i lit the torches and freed him. he didn't fight me. he said he'll meet me under lucian's tomb; then he's gone. i guess the update has changed the game.
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If you fight him, one of his minions drops Vord Emver crossbow. Plus some XP. So this vs. 1 talent point (if you fight him later)?
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Not sure why NO1 has mentioned any of this. But to find Karon again IF YOU HAVE RELEASED HIM AND LET HIM GO, you must get past the blood trial thing in the Cathedral. Once you pass that (must complete a series of quest in order to do so) then you will open a hatch in the cathedral. Once you go down the hatch and walk through the steel gates and just when you get to the bottom of the step, Karon will appear and have some dialog with you. I was looking around for this for a while not knowing that it was actually supposed to happen at the near end. wanted to share with everyone else so they werent wasting their time looking around for where to find him.
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Lol i had bug when i reload the autosave that take me to start of the combat Karon had no armor at all, making the fight easier.
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In my play through I turned him into a chicken while he was still a boy in the cage and he teleported out as an adult then switched back to a child. I agreed to meet him in the tomb and he showed up as a child. It made for an incredibly easy fight as he had no armor or MR. I bursted him in one turn.
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In DE edition, you can consume the main spirit's source, which will in turn make the other spirits disappear so you can easily light the torches
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Definitive Edition: Let him leave the sewer ritual area where you first meet him, he meets up with you in the area underneath the cathedral in Arx after you gain access past the blood-filled place. After killing him, talking to his soul, and passing a persuasion check, he gives you a Talent point.
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Using chicken claw while Karon is still in the cage bugs him, so he turns into the mage and turns back into child form and non-hostile. You can then easily whack away until he's dead. You still get the XP from killing him.
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Found a way to kill Karon without freeing him. I used Terrain Transmutation on the nearby poison, then centered the second destination on the cage. Little s*** ended up stuck in the poison and slowly died. I didn't get the combat XP, but it's a way to cheese the quest.
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DE: If you leave to ask Gareth about The Mistake, you'll get a quest update that you left Karon in the sewers and Gareth will have a confusing (as in oddly written) comment about him. If you leave at least one party member with Karon and try to speak to Gareth, he'll have no option to ask him anything about Karon though.
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If you let him escape you fill wind him in Lucian's tomb. After defeating him you can talk to his spirit and persuade it to find peace. When you do so it says Karon givey you a gift but I didn't receive anything. Probably a skill that my character already knows.
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I found a way to make this fight an absolute cake walk. Have a character use teleport on the bones of each of the four undead minions, transporting them one by one up to the room above, where there's a cage that closes itself upon entering it (the cage also contains a chest with a note saying "haha, gotcha"). I teleported all of their bones into the closed cage, stacked some wooden boxes in front of it to hinder any sort of vision, and finally placed the nearby chest in the middle of the entrance to the cage-room. Kill Karon, the undead minions won't be able to move or do anything of value - as soon as Karon is dead you can go up to the cage and finish the other four off and grab a sweet crossbow.
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So I explored the area before talking to him, found a secret door by a workbench (one room away) came back and he was gone, a broken source collar on the ground, blood all over everything. Lighting the fires does nothing. There's one ghost yelling about "a mistake" with no real dialogue options apart from leave or consume.
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what happen when you dont fight him but instead meet him in the tomb of lucian?
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Using the [Villain] dialogue option resulting in him saying he will meet me in the tomb under the sewers to help kill a certain guy that's talked about a lot in this game.
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DO NOT LEAVE WITHOUT FIGHTING KARON! I'm having an issue where I left Karon in the cage and came back later. In classic this would give you the journal entry that the foolish Paladins must have released him. You would encounter him at X:210 Y:290(courtyard outside Kemm's Mansion) where he is massacreing citizens or summon him on the spot with the braziers. My issue is that in DE he no longer spawns there and lighting the braziers to summon him does nothing. Look everywhere on the map and nothing, he doesn't show up anywhere.
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I don't see anyone commenting about the fact that you can talk to him and work with him? Is this new to DE or just a bad idea all around?
Wait, did I just get a talent point for consuming Karon's source?
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New bug in Definitive Edition.... freed him, lost the fight, reloaded auto save. he spawned without any armour and 2k hp... dropped like a fly
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I killed Karon and his minions immediately and finished his quest ages ago but I just came across his dead body in the middle of the street in front of the Lord Kemm's Manor. No hostiles, just his dead body sitting facedown in the middle of the street. A little odd honestly.
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If you leave the room to return to him escaped, but decide to summon him with the candles, his minions will wait for you outside Kemm's estate. I killed him solo in the sewers and as I was casually strolling in the city I got attacked by 4 named undeads: "Saeva The many Faced" "Urrha the Snake Charmer" "Kajun Frozenhearth" mentioned below and "Sahun Woundbinder".
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Yeah, my way is simpler. Simply put a death fog barrel or crate on the middle of the pentagram (you did collect them all and send them to the storage chest on the ship right?). Fireball on the braziers to free him into the pentagram and pop the deathfog and he dies instantly. Whirlwind away the deathfog and loot his corpse.
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If you leave and come back later to the bloodbath, summon and kill him. Later his minions will just attack you in the streets of Arx, its very strange, maybe Karon is supposed to be with them if you didnt summon him back to the sewers after leaving.
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He doesn't tell me why he's bitter after i kill him tho. He just laughs at me after dying.
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Funny thing is, if you release him then burst him down and run from the minions, the next time you go to Arx (neat Kemm's mansion) he will spawn there with his minions and attack you, except... he will be a corpse. Pretty good way to loot the corpse if you had to run before you could do so.
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You can use Source Vampirism on him whiles he's in the cage to release him, he will comment about how you attacked a child.
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You get a level 19 Unique Crossbow 'Vord Emver' on one of his minions "Kajun Frozenheart", as is the case with other unique items, stats are better than Divine quality crossbow, grants skill cryotherapy. If you have a ranger(I had one) in the party, it is worth the trouble to fight him along with his minions.
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I choose not freeing him. Then came back to the cage room and saw he escaped. I met him in Arx, though, along his minions. Some people on the net saying he a hard nut to crack, but what happened was: one of the minions fried a couple of citizens, then I CC and nuked all of them without receiving a single scratch. Not sure if the fight is intended to be SO easier , when fought in Arx, instead of the sewers. Just curious.
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This quest feels shoehorned in. Reusing old spirits and introducing a quickie backstory that comes from out of nowhere with no previous mention.
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On this floor there is a locked door with planks on it. How do you open it and where does it lead to?
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Legit just out a dethfog crate on the summoning thing then shoot a fireball to light them and break the crate at the same time EZ
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I found two ways to cheese this fight. The first circumvents all combat, the other makes it much simpler. Go all the way to the boarded door. Light the pyres by way of an explosive toy. Teleport the child near you. Kill him without resistance, reap xp for quest completion. No risk whatsoever. If you do want to fight him, break the boards on the door, engage him in dialogue with one char, teleport him behind the door and shut it on him. Finish the dialogue, he will miss his first turn. Then nuke and cc him to death, then finish off his four weaker assistants. Both ways allow this to be done much simpler.
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quest is bugged as hell. left the room without freeing him and then went back into the room. journal updated saying he escaped. Then i lit the plate/torch things anyway and he just appeared saying "thanks for freeing me idiot" and then i killed him. quest complete. ok.
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Having trouble getting into the room where the boy in the cage is. apparently i need a key and have no idea where to look. Lockpicking not high enough to get in either.
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If you not break the cage but attack the boy in cage,he will free by himself and attack you.
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I don't understand why leaving the room suddenly means he's free. It makes no sense.
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What happens if you dont free him and someone else did, will you see him again?
reloaded the fight. He lost all his armour. Killed him in 1 shot.
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