A Web of Desire

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Dorotya

Location Undertavern (Driftwood)
Suggested Level 7+*

A Web of Desire is a Quest in Divinity: Original Sin II, Act II.

Underneath the Tavern, a woman named Dorotya offers you a gift in return for a kiss. But everything is not what it seems...

 

 Important NPCs

 

A Web of Desire Objectives

  1. Speak to Dorotya and convince her you are worthy to receive her gift.
  2. Have the character who spoke with her meet her in private for a kiss.
  3. Allow her to kiss you OR kill her*.
  4. Repeat this quest for every other party member (so long as she isn't killed) (optional).

 

A Web of Desire Walkthrough

Before initiating this quest, read through the entire walkthrough first as it comes with a potential cost as well.

After speaking to Dorotya, The Decadent One, she will ask you to prove your worthiness. Simply pick one of the options that prove your worthiness, such as being the Champion of the Arena in Fort Joy. It's hard to fail this dialogue unless you explicitly decline her advances. Afterward, she will ask you to choose a vision.

Each vision will grant you a different "reward." See the chart further below for the effects of each choice.

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She will ask to meet your character alone at an area marked on your map as "Dorotya's Kissing Corner". Split the character that spoke with her from your party and have them meet with Dorotya alone. Your other members must be out of Dorotya's sight in order for the dialogue to progress. Rest assured, the encounter is perfectly safe unless you explicitly choose to fight her.

Once you meet her, she will suddenly transform into a giant spider looking to "kiss" you. You must decide whether to let her or to draw your weapon and fight.

If you choose to let her kiss you, your character will receive a permanent talent called "Spider's Kiss", with an effect that's based on your choice of vision. Accepting the kiss will also bestow the character 6,000 XP (5,000 XP in DE Edition).

(Note: If you are using an undead character (e.g. Fane), she will ask you to use the Mask of the Shapeshifter to transform yourself into another form before she will kiss you.)

Vision Choice Reward Cost
Towering Oak Strength +2 Constitution -2
Curved Quill Intelligence +2
Golden Chest 2,000 Gold
Stately Dragon Wits +2
Transparent Chrysalis Glowing Idol of Rebirth

 

The Spider's Kiss talent is permanent and cannot be removed via the Magic Mirror, and its effect will vary based on the vision choice you chose. Choose wisely, or simply go with the Chrysalis for the Idol of Rebirth (see the details for the idol below for why it is arguably the best choice).

After the kiss, you can still choose to explicitly attack her or simply let her go, either way, the quest will be completed for that specific character. If you chose to let her live she will return to what she was doing before and your other party members may do the quest for themselves as well. The EXP earned for completion is only awarded for that specific character, so you will need to repeat the quest several times to earn it for all characters.

If you instead choose to fight and successfully kill her, your party members will all receive 4,000 EXP each, and looting her corpse will yield an "Ashen Idol of Rebirth", two unique daggers, and a key. Although you are meeting her with a single character, your other party members can join the fight as well after it is initiated. Do note, this is not the intended direction for the quest to complete, but it is made available to you. It offers less of a reward than accepting the kiss.

 

Tips & Tricks

  • If you hire a mercenary on the Lady Vengeance, you can no longer use them to complete the quest. The dialog appears to complete, but there is no option to look into her ring.
  • Aside from the Idol of Rebirth, the Strength or Intelligence reward may be a reasonable choice if Vitality isn't as crucial to your character. If you're uncertain, you don't need to complete the quest at this time. If you've already initiated the quest, simply avoid meeting her and she'll reset the quest after a bit of waiting.
  • After you've completed the quest up to four times, you can also kill her to gain bonus experience and loot.
  • The key found on her corpse unlocks a chest inside her room.
  • You can pickpocket an Ashen Idol of Rebirth from her at any time outside of the quest.  If you pickpocket the Ashen Idol of Rebirth first, then choose the 'Transparent Chrysalis' vision choice, you will be still be given one as a reward totaling two Idol of Rebirths.

 

Idol of Rebirth

The Idol of Rebirth is an item that automatically resurrects the possessor upon death and also grants them full Vitality (but no Armour). It doesn't cost any AP to use.

Although it is a one-time use item, it is easily refillable by crafting the emptied idol together with a Resurrect Scroll. This can be a potentially exploitable tactic to turn your character(s) immortal as long as you have many Resurrect Scrolls in your inventory. It only costs 1 AP to craft during a battle, which is significantly better than the 3 AP cost to use a Resurrect Scroll.

Resurrect Scrolls can be crafted using the following recipe: Sheet of Paper + Water Essence + Life Essence. The paper is inexpensive and easy to acquire, and you should have a fair number of Water and Life Essences by now, as long as you haven't been wasting them. These materials can also be bought from merchants from time to time.

 

 

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    • Anonymous

      June 10th 2022 Teleport Exploit still works. Tried to see how exactly it works since explanations here is poor. I think I found a simpler steps to use it to gain all rewards for each of your characters including Idol of Rebirth for each character.
      You need at least 2 characters with teleport skill/scrolls.
      1. Start conversation with Dorotea with first character and choose one reward and don't continue dialog further.
      2. Choose different character and teleport first character away from dorotea so that it cancel dialog.
      3. Choose first character and repeat steps 1-2 until one reward is left and choose it then finish dialog
      4. Go after her and accept her kiss and you will gain all rewards.
      5. Repeat steps 1-4 for each other character.
      P.S. By default Idol of Rebirth reward is only availible to only one character but when using exploit to gain more than 1 reward it could be gained by another character. I tried diffirent combinations of rewards and when she kisses her comment is never about idol but about any other reward. So as far as I understand it when choosing idol reward it and proceed to the kiss dialog it activate some script that change some parameter which affect visibility of this reward option in dialog but when using exploit it don't trigger idol dialog and so it don't activate that script so you can choose it again with other characters.

      • Anonymous

        Teleport Exploit still works(18/05/2022) also if she tells u to stop teleporting away don't worry, it will work the same :)

        • Anonymous

          LMAO my friend and I just did this (march 4th, 2022) and it didnt work. She then walked up to us and said "someone is going around teleporting people away mid conversation! watch out!"

          • Anonymous

            Just did the teleportation exploit on 01/09/2022, can confirm it still works!


            Exploit refreshed so you don't have to scroll way down:
            0. Have all other party characters away from the one speaking to Dorotya. 1. Speak with her with first character and choose one bonus, (don't continue dialogue after that) then teleport first character away, wait until she stops walking towards you, and speak to her again. Dialogue should start from beginning. 2. Choose another bonus and teleport away. 3. Repeat with ALL characters until you have chosen all bonuses with each character, and then continue with the quest. 4. Meet her (solo) with each character and let her kiss you (fane will need to transform with the mask).
            Result: +2 str, +2 int, +2 wit, -2 con, 2k gold for each character & Glowing idol of rebirth x4 (5 if you steal the one on her before acquiring one from the quest, but why would you need 5?)

            • Anonymous

              There are conflicting comments about whether you can get multiple Idols of Rebirth or not. I believe I know why.

              If you do the quest normally you can only get two idols - one by pickpocketing and one as a reward. Dorotya doesn't offer any more idols after the first character finished the conversation.

              However, if you do the exploit with teleporting out of the conversation right after you choose the reward, the enitre party can still get all the rewards - four idols and each of the boosts.

              • Anonymous

                Okay so for those having trouble with this whole "Teleport Exploit" I kept seeing below there is a much more simple way to get 4 (Five if you pick pocket her) Idols.

                Simply sperate your party and have each one talk to her while not grouped. Pick the chrysalis option and complete the dialogue.

                Let her walk all the way to the area, get bored (Takes a little over a minute of her standing in the meet up spot) and go back to her room.

                Talk to her with a different part member and have them pick the chrysalis.

                Just repeat this for all the party members and then 1 by 1 finish the quest by having them talk to her to "Try again". Each member will be given the idol with no trouble.

                • Anonymous

                  I was able to get the exploit to work

                  I did the teleportation method

                  char 1 -> choose 4 options , teleporting away each time. Make sure nobody sees the character doing the teleporting (save the 5th option for when you are ready to kiss)

                  repeat with the other 2 characters

                  4th character you choose all 5 and have to go kiss her and then kiss with the last option you didn't pick on the other 3 characters.

                  as other said

                  talk with characters 1 , 2 , 3, 4 and kiss in orcder of 4 , 3 , 2 , 1

                  I killed her after

                  • Anonymous

                    Playing on PC (v3.6.69.4648), the exploit still works completely. One difference in the process, had to complete all of the steps individually; i.e. do the whole exploit with 1st character and finish quest, do the whole exploit with 2nd character and finish quest, etc. I got the 3 stat bumps, the con penalty, the money and the idol with all 4 characters. I kept everyone else far away except for the one doing the teleporting. Once Dorotya turns back from chasing you, she talks to the teleporter and goes back to her walking routine. Her complaining doesn’t interrupt the exploit.

                    • The cheese to get all the options doesn't seem to work, however, you can still get multiple idols.
                      Talk to her, choose the correct option, finish convo stating you want the kiss. After she walks away to the spot, move your character to a different position. She will get bored, after a min, and return to her room. After she resets herself, repeat the process until all 4 characters have chosen the idol option. Then one-by-one finish the quest and get the idols.

                      • Anonymous

                        Ok, here's what's up. May 27, 2021. PS5, fully updated
                        The exploit still works with a caveat, the finesse gain would not proc for anyone, but all others did,
                        +2 st, +2 int, -2 con, +2 wit, 5k exp, each and 4 total rebirth idols.

                        I BELIEVE, you need to make sure whoever does the teleportation spell is outside her path when she follows character 1. If she comes to them and says something like, "someone is teleporting mid conversation", reload.

                        • Anonymous

                          Also playing on DE. Got the idol on my first character. Talked to her again with another character and the idol option is no longer present.

                          • Anonymous

                            Playing on DE, I pickpocket and idol and got one the normal way, after that the option is no longer there to get a third Idol

                            • Anonymous

                              As of today this still works and you get an idol for each person, not sure why there are people commenting that it does not

                              • Anonymous

                                By far the strangest thing is, while I was waiting for her to walk to the kissing location, I tabbed out to read some threads and after I switched back to the game, she simply disappeared, leaving only a mission flag at the kissing location. At first, I thought it was a bug or something, only till later I found out that she was just tired of waiting and went back to her sitting spot have I never felt so stupid yet so amazed!!!

                                • Anonymous

                                  this article contradicts itself "If you hire a mercenary on the Lady Vengeance, you can no longer use them to complete the quest. The dialog appears to complete, but there is no option to look into her ring." "If you hire mercenaries, they can help you earn those idols without any cost."

                                  • Anonymous

                                    So, a heads up for anyone that used the JOYLESS BEGINNINGS mod to skip Act 1: You won't have any accomplishments to continue the dialogue to do this quest until you win the Driftwood Arena fight.

                                    Exploit refreshed so you don't have to scroll way down:
                                    0. Have all other party characters away from the one speaking to Dorotya. 1. Speak with her with first character and choose one bonus, (don't continue dialogue after that) then teleport first character away, wait until she stops walking towards you, and speak to her again. Dialogue should start from beginning. 2. Choose another bonus and teleport away. 3. Repeat with ALL characters until you have chosen all bonuses with each character, and then continue with the quest. 4. Meet her (solo) with each character and let her kiss you (fane will need to transform with the mask).
                                    Result: +2 str, +2 int, +2 wit, -2 con, 2k gold for each character & Glowing idol of rebirth x4 (5 if you steal the one on her before acquiring one from the quest, but why would you need 5?)

                                    • Anonymous

                                      Did they change this ? I don't remember her giving you the idol. I remember getting the idol from Djinn. I'd pick ''wits'' over other stats but now it's definitely idol.

                                      • Anonymous

                                        to get 5 glowing idols of rebirth: steal the first one and then use the exploit discussed below to accept every gift but DONT follow through until all 4 party members have accepted. The option to receive the idol does not disappear until someone actually receives it. Then, once everyone has every option selected, finish the quest for all characters to recieve 4 extra idols. works in DE as of 10/26/20

                                        • Anonymous

                                          you can accept spiders kiss on every character and then kill her after the last kiss for an extra 3000 xp + loot. Even if you don't want the perk on a character you can just take one that boosts a stat you have points in and then move 2 points out of the boosted stat into constitution for net 0 stat change, this way you still get the 5000 xp for completing the quest on everyone

                                          • Anonymous

                                            On PS4 on Oct 20th, I did the 1-2-3-4 to 4-3-2-1 (kill her after this one). I didnt use any teleportation. I just waited for her to walk back to her room each time, and she gave each character (4 3 2 1) a second chance for the kiss.

                                            • Anonymous

                                              As of 24 Oct 2020: the exploit still works (see below other contributions for detail). Just to add that if you happen to have the skill 'Resposition' (to switch positions of two allies or yourself and the other ally), it works as well. And you don't have to repost your characters far away (tested distance is abou 2m between the two characters).This is a better approach as it's quicker than using teleporation. But I'm not sure if this skill is in the vanilla game or in a mod I use.

                                              • Anonymous

                                                Can confirm the exploit still works. It doesn't matter if she "catches" you and talks to you about teleporting away. I got it to work. I don't know if these minor details matter but what I made sure to do: 1. teleport immediately after selecting your reward (don't click "Continue"), 2. don't switch back to the character until the teleportation is done.

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  exploit still works on DE on PC. -2 Constitution for +2 Str, +2 Int, +2 Wits, 2000 Gold and the Idol of Rebirth. All you need is another player with Teleportation gloves / skill to break the conversation of the beneficiary character right after that character makes the choice.

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    Isn't it like.. completely not worth to go along with the kiss? Because if you really wanted +2 in something and -2 less con then why not just go to the mirror? just seems like a dumb deal. if it had been +3 in something and -2 in con then it would be more worth because it would just mean a free point but this just seems like a crappy thing. Just pickpocket the idol and then kill her for the daggers and other stuff. In fact kill everybody down there. why not

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      september 5nd, still works with the cake is no longer a lie patc. you still only get -2 con. guy below me probably did it the wrong way.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        Bug doesn't work September 2nd you get -2 con for each gift selected and there is a line about teleporting while you're talking not being very polite.

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          As of now, 18 July 2020, there is no option to get a second idol from a kiss. But you can steal second one from her.

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            Can confirm the bug still works even after the most recent dlc. I just tried it on my Lone Wolf playthrough 7/9/20. I think what some people are failing to understand is when to teleport the speaking character. Immediately after you make your choice of stat, teleport the speaking character about a screen's distance away and it will break the conversation. Speak to her again with the same character and make a different choice and repeat until you have selected all the choices. Then follow her to her den and let her kiss you. Do this will all of your characters and all of them will have 4 spiders kiss talents but only minus 2 constitution. They will also received the gold and the glowing idol. If you pickpocket the idol before hand as well, you will have 5 idols. Which is pretty awesome.

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              damn, it still works, when i saw this exploit i was hoping it got patched by now. now im torn between free extra stats and not feeling like im cheating

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                2 CON for the idol is a no brainer as the revival is so powerful. The exploit feels kinda game-breaking. The game already offers "little" challenge (2 lone-wolf party on tactician) and the combat is what I enjoy the most. The +2 str/int on melee/mage is already excellent as you're able to get further above the stat limit.

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  Can anyone confirm if the single character 5000 XP award for completing this quest is exploitable for groups of 2 or more? I know that when inviting a companion to rejoin your party, if your main has more XP when the companion rejoins, then that companion will get an XP boost to match the main's XP. I'm also wondering if the main's XP could be boosted through this method. To test, you would need to have a companion complete the quest for 5000 XP, and then immediately dismiss and reinvite that companion. Unfortunately, I can't test because I'm playing an Honour mode run, and I didn't think of testing this until after I had already saved :(

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Yes it works. I just tested this 4-kiss trick with Dorotya the Decadent One on XBox on May 23, 2020. If you do the talk-and-teleport trick correctly, you will receive all the bonuses AND will receive the idol also. for all 4 characters in your party. Yes, you sacrifice 2 pts to constitution on each character. You'll know if you got all 4 items for a character if you look at their talent list and see 4 Spider's Kiss talents for each character.

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      She does not complain. I TPd the first character all the way to the arena trophy entrance... Did not break their chat. Attacking Soeortya also does not break the chat, the others in the tavern attack my other three characters. If I follow up with the chat and accept the kiss even after teleporting, she moves to the secluded spot ready to kiss.

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        For anyone asking about her complaining about being teleported don't worry. Carry out the dialog make your choice until she asks for the kiss. Teleport your character at this stage. She will complain but just run through the dialog again and choose the next option. Once you get to the last option say yes as normal and it will give you all 5 bonuses.Just confirmed on DE PS4

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          How does this work? Tried teleporting multiple times but it doesn't seem to work at all. Teleportation doesn't break the conversation. Teleported the first character to the far end of the arena area.. still didn't break the convo. How do I do it?

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            How does this work? Tried teleporting multiple times but it doesn't seem to work at all. Teleportation doesn't break the conversation. Teleported the first character to the far end of the arena area.. still didn't break the convo. How do I do it?

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              Just wanted to mention that if you stole the idol first and can't get the speech option to get it, you can simply drop the Idol.

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                I combined all the different exploits below and was able to get every buff on all 4 characters and 5 glowing idols of rebirth (1 stolen)

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  On the exploit to get all rewards for only perma -2 CON: When you think about it, it's really only giving +2 to 1 stat, + gold, +1 Glowing Idol of Rebirth. The first 2 stat bonuses cancel out, & are the same as you going to the mirror & dropping CON 2 pts to put it somewhere else. Either do all of them, or do none & kill her.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    She only gives you an idol with the first character, if you try it a second time it won't give you the option of the transparent chrysalis. The only way to get at least two idols is to steal from him and then use the chrysalis option.

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      As all the others said you can get all the Stats/Gold/Idol for only a -2 Constitution. When I hear her say : a Kiss. I TP my guy away and I repeat until I have them all ( like others said she sometimes comes at you saying she doesn't like it when you TP mid conversation). Then on my last guy I decided to pick the option where I was fighting her. Since I had more initiative than her, I started the combat , I killed her in one hit in human form got 3k , she transformed into her spider form 1 hit her again got 3k exp then she used her Idol to comeback to life for a 3rd time, but I didn't get any exp for killing her the 3rd time. So in total I got 5k for finishing the quest with a character, 3k for killing her in human form and 3k for killing her in spider form for a total of 11k exp for 1 character I tried this on 3/10/2020

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        Making real bad experiences with thirsty females in this Game. That Witch from the Cave, now this giant spider... Needless to say, I just murder all of them.

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          Quoting from Anon "You can get all bonuses for the cost of -2 constitution on all characters. All you need is 2 teleportation users. Perhaps other means work too 1. Speak her with first character and choose one bonus, (dont continue dialogue after that) then teleport first character away and speak to her again. Dialogue should start from beginning. Then choose other bonus and teleport away. 2. Repeat until you have choosed all bonuses and then continue with the quest. Don't kill her at the end 3. Now do the same thing with second character and third and fourth 4. Now you have +2 strength, intelligence and wits. 2000gold and glowing idol on all characters. With just -2 constitution. It will show 4 spider's Kiss talents on talent list. 5. You can now pickpocket her for one more glowing idol. 6. Kill her for extra loot/exp I tested this on patch 1.10 Ps4 version" This does indeed work on PC I was surprised. I now have 5 Idols and all the attribute points and gold on 4 characters. Just a PSA she will scold you for teleporting out of conversations but this does not effect the outcome. Having trouble finding what build I am on but current build as of this post.

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            adding to the exploit anon pointed: 1. It works on the definitive edition on pc 2. To save a bit of time, you can teleport the current character closer and closer to her kissing booth 3. No need for 2 teleport characters if you have the teleport gloves, which you can pass around for a discount on its cooldown 4. Works with bigger parties (tested with the 6 origins ones)

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              You can get all bonuses for the cost of -2 constitution on all characters. All you need is 2 teleportation users. Perhaps other means work too 1. Speak her with first character and choose one bonus, (dont continue dialogue after that) then teleport first character away and speak to her again. Dialogue should start from beginning. Then choose other bonus and teleport away. 2. Repeat until you have choosed all bonuses and then continue with the quest. Don't kill her at the end 3. Now do the same thing with second character and third and fourth 4. Now you have +2 strength, intelligence and wits. 2000gold and glowing idol on all characters. With just -2 constitution. It will show 4 spider's Kiss talents on talent list. 5. You can now pickpocket her for one more glowing idol. 6. Kill her for extra loot/exp I tested this on patch 1.10 Ps4 version

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                I don't seem to have the Idol of Rebirth in my inventories, except for one character. All characters completed the ritual and have Spiders Kiss Talent. Should n't ALL characters have an Idol of Rebirth in their inventories?

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  Amazing thing, right at the beginning of the game when you wake up on the ship, in the room where someone was killed, you can find a book that tells the story of a man who fell in love with a woman that in the end turned out to be a spider and she ate him or something... AMAZING! Reading books in this game is awesome, it makes the exploration even deeper and more interesting.

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    You can still get multiple idols for the entire party! As stated by another comment below: 1. Speak with Dorotya and select the "Transparent Chrysalis" option. 2. Don't follow her to the other room to kiss and allow her time to walk back to her room. 3. Repeat step one and two with a different character - and repeat further until your final character. 4. Follow her to the room and kiss with your final character. 5. Allow her time to return to her room and in reverse order as to how you began, speak to Dorotoya and apologize to kiss her again. 6. Follow her to the room and kiss - then repeat (in reverse order as to how you begat) with your remaining characters. ** I did the above on 3/4 characters in my party. I then pick pocketed the idol from Dorotoya on the third character before following through with her giving it to me. This way, I did not have to lose constitution on all four charters, but still have four idols.

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      Because you have the mirror on the Lady Vengence, there's no reason to take the stat boost options. Take the idol, it's the most valuable.

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        Since the newest update, you can no longer gain multiple Idols. Each character must chose a different 'gift'.

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          So, did they remove the possibility of doing this quest with mercs? There is no option to gaze upon her ring if I'm using a merc. Even tried doing with every party member, yet still can't do it with mercs...

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            This was patched but you can still complete the quest on one char and attack with the second to get a 2nd idol from her corpse.

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              I don't know if it is intentional or a bug, but when you complete the quest with on character, that one character get the 6,000 EXP, but, if you depart the other characters and add them again to your party, they will get the "missing" exp to match the main character, giving them the EXP from this quest to everyone.

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                Better use:

                                                                                                                1. Do it with as many mercs as possible to get massive number of idols
                                                                                                                2. Do it again for all your characters with +x in whatever is the most useful for each -> what you really get is 2 more attribute points you can distribute semi-freely (if you find you don't need much constitution, leave it at -2, otherwise you can always use the respec mirror)

                                                                                                                -2 CON isn't bad anyway, since the mechanics of combat more or less revolve around keeping your armor up.

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  Think I may have bugged this, talked to Safa, got the journal entry, found the woman, didn't take the kiss, pick pocketed her for the idol then killed her as a human in the bar, she turned into a spider and i killed her and got the chest key, the 2 daggers, but now the quest won't close and there is no way to finish/close from what I can see.

                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                    *For the Greedy Players*
                                                                                                                    You can get gold and idol's from any merc's you can hire. So what I found that works is to hire four mercs and have them get the kiss for the idol. then hire the rest of the mercs for the gold. It cost 1750 per merc to hire. However, you get 2000 gold from the kiss. That's 175 gold profit. Then you take the gear off the merc when you disband them and sell the gear for around 1200-1500 gold. I had 8320 gold to start and finished with 20,394. That's a 12,074 gold profit. Not too bad at all!! Just remember that this all depends on your attitude with the vender as well as your bartering skill. I had 100% attitude and lvl 5 bartering when I sold all the gear. Not to bad of a profit for 30 min of you time. Also, just note that you will only be able to do the kiss once with each type of merc you hire. So I would recommend to save before starting this process. Also, make sure you have Fane's mask of the Shapeshifter. Some of the mercs are undead and will agro some of the npc's in the undertavern. I did this and left my main characters without the kiss as to not get the -2 con penalty. Good luck and hope this helps!

                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                      Well if you’re a metal fan, you’d get that Dorotya is a characterization of Doro Pesch from the band Warlock. And when you kiss her, she gives you the “Kiss of Death”. A popular song by Warlock.

                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                        I stumbled into this scene with my friend in co-op, and I got to say that I was kind of underwhelmed. This is the equivalent of just going to the mirror and taking a few points out of con and distributing it to your fellow attributes. The idol I suppose, but seriously? I saw "werespider" and when my friend was shrieking in panic I was like, "There is only one logical conclusion to this; SPIDER-PERSON!"

                                                                                                                        I never knew I wanted to be a werespider until that very moment. How could you tease me like this, game? *Sigh*

                                                                                                                        I suppose now, on all levels but physical I am a spider.

                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                          The key you get from killing her unlocks chest in her room (where you go to start kissing process!) - it says locked.
                                                                                                                          After you get the key click on that big chest (even though its red no one will say anything) and take some gold and grenade that is in.
                                                                                                                          Free of charge. :)

                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                            I am curious if the bonus to intelligence or strength allows you to go over the limit of 40 strength or intelligence. If so this might have some use. But I think it still seem a little under welming but then again the quest is only a minute long. Be nice if there are more ways to do stuff like this to further increase stats via quests-reward talents.
                                                                                                                            LIKE FOR EXAMPLE: Add a upgrade to the spider kiss talent that increases it to +4, +6,+8 and like I said hopefully this allows you to go over the 40 max cap. Because if it don'y then its really pointless.

                                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                                              Just so people are aware without looking up the item itself: you can combine the Ashen Idol of Rebirth (this is what the Glowing Idol of Rebirth becomes after being consumed) with a Resurrection Scroll to recharge the Glowing Idol of Rebirth. This requires only 1 AP in battle, so this item alone can help you win fights you might otherwise have a lot of trouble with, as long as you spend the 1 AP each time recharging the Idol.

                                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                If you accept her offer as Undead without masking up, she will appear to become impatient and leave the kissing area and go back to her normal patrol.

                                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                  I pickpocketed the Glowing Idol of Rebirth prior to doing any kissing: glowing, not ashen. It doesn't show up in her wares.

                                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                    You can hire mercienaries and let her kiss them, then kick them away, so you will get gold and idols without getting*****ty tallent for yourself

                                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                      "just tested it and you cant actually respec out of the talent or restat the CON back"

                                                                                                                                      Based od this comment I let her kiss all of my characters, went to Lady Vengeance and used the mirror. None of the characters had talent "Spider kiss" listed hence it can not be reseted; but in the inventory talent section the talent is still listed.

                                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                        I think is worth to get the talent, i have a fane with 18 CON and 1667 vitality and I have a Sebille with 10 CON and 1520 vitality so IMHO ITS not such a big difference

                                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                          Someone with Pet Pal may want to try this: Get the Spider Kiss talent here, and then go meet "the Widow" in Act 2 in Ryker's place. - Apparently she won't get mad at you and it may make things easier.

                                                                                                                                          I didn't have pet pal and broke into the stairwell that led to her room, she walked up to me and it said she poked at my cheeks and then left me alone, thinking me one of her own kin. So assuming the Kiss talent you get here gives a benefit to interactions with her

                                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                            Your base constitution lowers from 10 to 8. If you were to choose wits, the base goes from 10 to 12 and you will not be able to take away from the base...

                                                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                              I had wondered what the crafting recipe was for the Ashen idol of rebirth, as, to the best of my knowledge, I'm unaware if you can actually craft one? I tested out the Idol after testing the outcomes of this 'quest' and it turns into the Ashen idol upon death. It seems that restoring the resurrection aspect of the idol is fairly inexpensive (regen scroll + Ashen idol) but if one can craft an Ashen idol out of other ingredients without getting a permanent CON debuff, this "gift" is a really bad one, in agreement with your opinion. I may end up just killing her after reading the post above mine... the daggers will be better than what I'm currently using + an ashen idol + a key... Lol... sounds like the best "gift" out of the whole lot. Why am I going to sacrifice 2 CON for any other stat when I can go to Lady Vengeance and re-stat my character anyway?

                                                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                If you kill her you receive 4000 XP, two unique identical daggers Venombite and Terrorbite (19-20 DMG in my game), an Ashen Idol of Rebirth and a key which I do not know what opens.

                                                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                  The visions are:

                                                                                                                                                  A towering oak: (+2 STR -2 CON)
                                                                                                                                                  A curved quill: (+2 INT -2 CON)
                                                                                                                                                  A golden chest : (-2 CON +Gold) ---> not worth it
                                                                                                                                                  A dragon: (+2 WIT -2 CON)
                                                                                                                                                  A chrysalis: (-2 CON +Idol of Rebirth) ---> resurrects you once if you die, still not worth it IMO


                                                                                                                                                  You also gain 6000 XP when you get 'kissed', although only the character that receives the talent gets it.
                                                                                                                                                  The process can be repeated for all your four characters.

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