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Both of them are dildos, so barrel them for the xp and sweet loots

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I had a character wearing the pirate gear and he just kept getting charmed... so no attacks from him.

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First time I fought Grog, I was testing out shackles of pain, so sorta killed Grog first round. So that's my personal tip to fight Grog.

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my group unintentionally cheesed this so hard. one guy was a pyro mage, I had torturer and dipped my weapons in poison. we had a rogue who abused sleep/charm too.

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As someone explained in the comments below it is possible to finish this quest but also kill both Marg and Grog for the experience.

1. Accepted quest from Grog to kill Marg
2. Talked to Marg and told him that Grog wanted him dead (received experience for telling him this)
3. Attacked and killed Marg (received experience for killing Marg)
4. Went back to Grog and separated my duo lone-wolf party leaving one on both sides of the bridge (2nd party member who will attack Grog should be left on the side where Grog will start to walk towards after finishing this quest that being Cloisterwood side.)
5. Initiated dialogue with Grog with my main character and told him that I killed Marg (Quest finished, received experience and the reward screen popping up on the character I talked to Grog with.)
6. Now you do not have much time to actually look at your rewards in the pop-up window so save/load this part if you feel like it. Pick your reward and quickly switch back to the party member on the Cloisterwood side of the bridge and attack Grog. (I started the battle with Sebille casting a fireball at him to trigger the combat and also apply burning to Grog to stop his regeneration ability.)
7. Kill Grog (received experience for killing him and also loot on his body same with Marg)

Tested on definitive edition of divinity 2 (7th of august 2021)

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TO MAXIMIZE XP:

1. Accept quest from Grogg (don't kill him)
2. Go to Marg, tell him Grogg wants him dead for 2700XP
3. Kill Marg
4. Go back to Grogg and tell him you killed Marg, collect quest reward
5. Grogg will now go to Marg's bridge. You can follow him there, or find him there later. Be aware that if you follow him there, stop before the bridge, otherwise he will attack
6. Once Grogg is on the bridge, you can kill him.

Tips for killing him:
-Be sure to use fire on him at least once every 2 turns, otherwise he will regenerate HP
-He has no magic armor so you can easily charm him
-Fight is easy with archer, just use fire arrow + charm arrow and blast him with high dmg attacks

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Obviously the easiest way to kill these two (as with every other act 2 enemy so far) is barrelmancy. I know it's stupidly overpowered and borderline cheating, but if we're talking about the absolute easiest way to do something (or you're actually somehow unable to kill them legitimately because you're incompetent or something) barrelmancy is the way. Otherwise you can just stun both of them forever with magic because they have no magic armour, not a particularly hard fight unless you're unprepared for it. Even if you're a full melee build you can just respec using mirror making both of them trivial.

And if you don't have gold for spell books just respec all of your civil into thievery so that you can bankrupt the entire population of Driftwood with your demigod-esque slight of hand.

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Tried various methods to kill the trolls. By far the easiest is the one suggested by someone here: put a row of cooking pots blocking one end of the bridge, then kill the trolls safely from a distance, Marg with poison, Grog with fire.

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1. make sure to accept Grog's quest and don't kill him first
2. make sure to tell Marg, Grog wants him dead (you'll get XP)
3. Kill marg
4. Go back to Grog, tell him all good mate took care of it
5. Kill grog
6. XP XP XP XP

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Easy way to kill both is to put either rain or blood underneath the troll and electrify it. Then using an air wand, it will apply shocked. This means you can have 1 person with an air wand stun the troll every single round. No need for special skills, just need an air wand and either rain or rain blood. Then with your other party members, you just need to apply the other debuff (poison or burning).

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I beat both by stunlocking them with aeroskills, lvl 11 squad with a summoner that got colossal incarnate of the right element.

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I just best Marg and Grog back to back with a level 15 squad. The key was Tyrants Charm. The best freaking thing in the expanded game. I got it at level 8 and haven't taken it off since. I'm hoping to make it to the end with it. It's too awesome!

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Honestly, I've fought him with a 2 man-squad around level 12, my PC Battle Mage based on Aerotheurge serving as a frontliner and Sebille built Ranger.
He didn't get to attack me once, it's almost unfair how easy it is to keep him stunlocked and burnt at the same time so he doesn't regenerate. Stock up some Shocking Arrows and you're good to go, he can't do anything about it as you pounce him with stuff over and over. The only thing that might be slightly unusual is at that some point you're gonna have to move your ranged characters melee because the fire's gonna turn to smoke and give him some pseudo-cover, but other than that, he's a laugh.

The bigger issue to to have that Loremaster 5...

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Pay troll 5k and u get 8075 extra experience.

I want to go in combat with him, then drop lava under him to one shot him.

Another way if u don't want to mess with lava, is u spec into low wits 15-20 wits. use a bedroll ( for knockdown immunity ) hit him, he will walk to you and hit, and the moment he hits you, u up the with to 40 ( basically drop all your dmg ) . u will get the turn so he doesn't chain knock you down with multiple turns. Then u got 1 hp, and u drain life him with that source skill u can pickpocket from that lizzard in the castle at cloisterwood teleport. at level 9.

Sometimes it doesn't work, just respec back again and do it like this.

Even with the lava tactic u want to be 40 wit or high innitiative as u first want to go in combat with him to get the experience, u will otherwise lose out on 38k experience.

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Using tele you can move the green noxious bulb under his feet, then ignite it and wait a few seconds, he will just stand there and get killed by the constant erupting

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Step 1: trap grog on the bridge using 2 ornate chest placed infront and back of him
Step 2: Fire at him using all your fire spells, fire arrows, fire bombs till he dies

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Necromancers of the world, just place blood everywhere (trolls dont mind), open with a corpse explosion (there's corpses all over the bridge) and then cast grasp of the damned as your first 'in battle' move. The troll is then crippled for 3 turns (well 2, as trolls have status effect duration -1) and you and your crew can hammer him for two turns. If you have Fane he'll already be in blood and you should have elemental affinity at his point, so he can use time warp to give these trolls a proper hiding. Finally, charmed DOES work on these trolls. We charmed Grog and battered him before he got a chance to react.

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Jesus it's not a tenth as complicated as you guys are making it

All you need to kill either is forced exchange (buy from higba) and living on the edge (bree). Cast living on the edge on your character who has forced exchange. Have that character rush the troll. The troll will clobber that character reducing health to 1. Forced exchange character casts forced exchange then 1 shots the troll.

The end

PS can case peace of mind to make sure necromancer acts first (trolls have imitative 25 I believe so you may still fall short, but can also pre cast living on the edge it just has short duration)

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Have your archer use two shock arrows to stun, then use the element they're weak to followed by another shock arrow next turn. I've been stockpiling and had 30 each of fire and shock arrows, I had Ifan use that pattern and stunlocked/nullified troll recover the entire time.

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Ok guys imma make a guide on killing Grog the Troll. However, this is a summary to help readers based on all of the pre-existing comments that I have seen.

This guide is simple, easy, and time efficient.

Requirements:
A. have teleportation skill/item

B. A skill/weapon that can ignite surfaces. (Recommend to be fire based)

C. Several objects without a health bar


At this moment, i am a new dos2 player so if I’m missing anything plz add on.

Credit to everyone who has commented below.

(Important)... check out the comment on “25 Jun 2020 17:30” for detailed guide for full exp from this quest.

Note that I am assuming you are trying to Kill grog at step 4 of the exp guide that I mentioned.

1. Have a member of your team initiate conversation with grog to prevent movement.

2. Collect 7-8 cooking pots and line them On the bridge From one end to the other. This will prevent grog from approaching your team on the other side of the cooking pots. Note that anything WITHOUT a health bar can be a substitute as long as they are big (or wide) enough for use.

3. When prep work is completed, have the character chatting with Grog to meet up with the rest of the team on the other side.

(You can safe check that the line of pots is working by making a character travel across it)

4. Make sure you have a teleport skill/item of some sort then teleport the poison plant near the area across the line of pots and right beside Grog.

Note: after you teleported the poison plant, it should release poison gas within the area.

5. This action DOESNT aggro Grog!! Now have a character with fireball, searing daggers, wand that ignite surfaces, etc to !!”ATTACK THE POSION CLOUD”!! Not Grog. This action will not aggro Grog since you are not directing attacking him.

6. Wait for Grog to be considerably low and finish him off.

PC Definitive edition.

Exp from Grog 38800 at this time

Item a ring at lvl18 with HIGH magic armor

If you had paid Grog 5000 gold for the full exp reward, you can get it back by having a character with lvl6 thievery to pickpocket him right after you pay him. (I was the one who left the comment) lvl 5 should work but you probably won’t get it all back since the gold limit is lower, forgot how much the limit is.

Please like for credibility for other readers to browse through.

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PC Definitive Edition: This worked, and got me 10.7k extra XP: [1] Started with Grogg, he asked me to kill Marg, [2] Went to Marg and told Grogg asked me to kill him, he asked me to kill Grogg, [3] Went back to Grogg, talked to him and paid the toll, this got me 8k XP [4] NOW you can eighter attack him right away, or move away a fair distance from the bridge and go back, he'll try to charge you again, you can attack him via dialogue to iniate combat more organically, if you care about that. Kill him for 38k XP [5] Inform Marg you killed Grog to close quest. No XP awarded for quest close. [6] Marg will now ask for 15k gold to cross, refuse and kill his ass for 14k more XP. Total using this method ~64000XP (the 10.7k extra is from paying Groggs toll and telling Marg that Grogg asked you to kill him. 8k + 2.7k)

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PSA: Do not pay Marg to cross his bridge. If you do, the quest will be glitched, and Marg will only repeat the same line if you talk to him. I assume this goes for the other troll as well. Don't pay the troll toll.

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Suggested level 10+?? In definitive edition Grog is lvl18. I'm at t lvl 12 currently and he 1 shots even my fully equipped tank who uses bonecage on the bridge and gets ridiculous amounts of physical armor from all the corpses (700+). When approaching him, even the game throws me a message suggesting I gtfo.

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i did use only 1 attack and that was terrain transmutation "Lava" :)

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Very easy combat, I used Living on the edge, after Grog hit me I was at 1 hp, then used Forced Exchange, then he was at 100 hp, 1 hit kill. arguinyano.

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both trolls are very vulnerable to shock, equip one mage with a wand that shocks on attack and you have two easy fights.

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if you kill Marg then go tell Grog he walks away, where does he go? I want to kill him now

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While you can kill Grog with the lava (or spamming fire, chicken and charm), with Marg you can use poison dart to create poison surfaces around him, he'll walk over them and kill himself without a fight; although, you probably should still get the last shot on him.

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An anonymous poster from over a year ago suggested using lava on Grog, and I can confirm the insta-death still works. Use the Poly Terrain Transmutation skill to get the Lava near Hannag and the magisters near the bridge. Initially, I began the fight after dropping it below him, and it only did tick damage like burning. Halfway through the fight, he managed to walk while charmed, and I had to remove the lava surface back to his position — to my surprise, instadeath! Looks like you need to transmute the lava AFTER initiating the fight, otherwise the only thing you might instakill is yourself!

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Marg is immune to poisoned, so you can't stop his troll blood? (DE)

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I bugged this quest, here's what I did: 1. I spoke to Grog and decided to kill Marg. 2. Going to Marg and said that Grog wants him dead and I decided to stick with Marg and accept to kill Grog. 3. Still in conversation with Marg and managed to tell him my Voidwoken battle story (tell him I killed that big wolf Voidwoken in Driftwood). 4. So Marg are happy about my story and he decided to price the toll for only 1 gold and I happily accept it! 5. I exit the conversation and going to kill Grog. 6. Grog is dead! Going back to Marg and ... I don't have any choices because I succeeded paying the toll! 7. This quest is stuck because I can't tell Marg that I killed Grog. 8. Unless ... I kill Marg too, which I don't want to! Damn!!

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what happens if you kill grog before starting the quest?

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Use the good ol' Undead nuke method for free money (Living on the Edge + Shackles of Pain + Giant Healing Pots). Fane's time warp let me kill Grog before his next turn.

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Poison stops them from healing from Troll Blood

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Easy fights. Grab cooking pots from the ship and other places and simply line them up on the bridge. They can't cross and doesn't seem to have any blink ability. Just shoot them to death while they are stuck helplessly on the other side.

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I put my polymorph at almost no health, freezed grog, forced exchange him, the finished in one round

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Ez killed them at lv10 with 2 characters, just get escapist with each character having their own pyramid. Stun them 1st then atk but make sure you have enough ap to flee then just teleport back in with pyramid. Do it with both characters and just repeat til the troll is dead.

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Killed Marg with one of those poison flowers and tagged him last second to get XP. Then talked to Grog and he went to Mary's bridge and I put an oil barrel on the poison flower near Grog and used a fire bomb near him but didn't hit him with it, then tagged him last second too. Easy to and loot.

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You can attack the troll you finished quest for as they walk over to new bridge, they will have increased in level by a bit but if you can stunlock them and keep them afflicted so they can't use their troll blood then you can easily take them on. Got a lvl 18 ring, which is a huge boost as a level 14.

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Opened up with a quick freeze lock, then kept him permalocked using a rotation of electricity stun, silence + atrophy, and charm, all while keeping him aflame with Necrofire. Took me 20 minutes to drop him but very happy with result: got a nice level 18 legendary ring that gives 185 magic armor, and my party is only level 11. Big advantage, having a high level item like this with a mid-level party. Can't recommend Necrofire enough for this fight - having a Necrofire Champion Incarnate fully buffed really trivializes the fight if you can keep him locked down.

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I polymorphed a lava patch under Marg and it healed him for the sum total of his health every tick. He's immune to fire damage. Poison kills him. The hungry flower made short work of him.

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quest bugged, Marg doesnt response at all after i killed Grog. so i killed them both

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Teleport the green noxious blub from further up the path near driftwood onto Marg's bridge and watch it slowly remove his health. When it gets down to about 500, have a conversation with him and tell him its time for fisticuffs. Then watch has he dies from the poison whilst moving into position to attack you. Shortest fight in history.

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Killed em both. Pretty good rings as drops. The trick is to stun lock them and keep either poison or burning on depending on which troll it is.

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Grog is pretty easy to kill. Just use Air spells to stun him and use Cripple/Atrophy/Blind so he has trouble fighting back.

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If you're having problems turning in the quest to Marg after killing Grog. If you are approaching Marg's bridge from the direction of Cloisterwood, cross it (if possible). Move away and approach from the other side. This should trigger Marg to speak with you and you will be able to tell him that Grog is dead.

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Supreme cheese way to kill Grog. All you need it the polymorph ability to switch surfaces. Go to where Hannag is (Cloisterwood), on the outside wall there is lava, switch this surface with any empty surface (or any surface) towards the direction of Grog. Do this 3-4 times landing the last surface switch where Grog paces and he will instantly die. More cheese: Before hitting Grog with the lava (so one surface switch prior to the last), initiate combat with the surface switcher (high initiative helps) and port the surface onto Grog (this will get the XP points for the kill). de

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When you do the persuasion and you have the Soldier trait, choose it. He'll be happy with the advice you give him and charge you 1 gold to cross the bridge.

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How to cheese grog, there is a green noxious bulb to the right of the bridge. Have someone with the teleport skill to teleport the bulb to grog's location. After grog is in the poison cloud throw a firebomb grenade at a distance to not agro grog. Laugh as grog repeatedly gets damaged by necrofire and explosions from the gas clouds.

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I talked t grog, failed persuasion, then got quest to kill marg. Went to marg, talked to him immediately mentioned grog wanted him dead. then agreed grog should be the one to go, continued conversation asking bout the trolls day, then chose the option to nod and move past him, and he stopped me, i asked him to lower the price, then told him about the voidwoken fight to escape fort joy. he let me cross for 1 gold.
Didnt have to kill either troll.

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I have killed Marg, and when i will talk do Grog not have change, only options of attack him or tell marg has offer the same.
Like if a don't have killed marg. Quest Bug

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Killed Grog, Marg raised his price to 14,999. No negotiations. So I killed him too.

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So here is the way to pay only 3 Gold for entry.

1. Talk with grog, get quest to kill marg
2. talk with marg, tell him about the quest. Leave with the remark to kill the real one
3. go to grog. TALK with him first and tell him about margs regards. Kill him.
4. go to marg tell him about grog's death and pay the reduced fee of 3 gold with the condition to tell about voidwalken stories.

How to kill grog at lvl 9-10 (what I did)
He is not immune to charmed and stunned. Grog does not have magical armor. Begin with charmed arrow or respective skill in summoning.
reduce his physical armor, burn everything (fire arrow/necrofire with cursed potion flasks if you have those)
from there on either have many chars with shocking skills or weapons with high chance to stun. continue to stun and burn him.
about 10-15minutes later he should be dead.
(a great way to keep burning him is to have a summoner with totems/incarnate and make them fire elemental.

this way he is stunned throughout the match and you can keep damaging him until he is done.
Enjoy being awesome! :)

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Your quest may be bugged.

I first spoke to Marg and told the story in order to gain entry. I then spoke with Grog and received the Business Rivals quest. I returned to Marg to complete the quest, and had the dialog options to choose to attack Grog instead.

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If you talk to Marg first and tell him a story to pass the bridge then when you meet Grog later and ask you to kill Marg, you won't have any interaction with Marg anymore, only option is to kill him. So talk to Grog first or do not talk about crossing the bridge to Marg first

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Use Living on the Edge and Forced Exchange. EASY.

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I killed Grog for Marg but then Marg just attacked me. I couldn't even talk to him. wtf?

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1) I couldn't report to Marg that Grog was dead, I think it's on a similar timer to merchant refreshes, just do some other quests a while and come back you should be able to report to Marg that Grog is dead. Probably similar if you kill Marg.

2) The rest the comments have a lot of creative ways to win. I just examined the trolls with high enough loremaster in the group to determine their weaknesses and resists. Whatever element they have negative resists on will remove their regen status effect "troll blood". Have a tank char setup, up front.

3) Grog has better loot than Marg btw.

3)*spoiler* If you kill Grog, Marg will "adopt some of his business practices". This forces you to either pay 15k gold to cross the bridge or fight him I could be wrong but I didn't see an option to just leave without crossing the bridge. A lesson about competition in there I suppose. Still made me sad to kill him though :( *spoiler*

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If you kill Marg, you can go back to Grog and go through the same dialog you had with him before. Eventually the option to tell him marg is dead becomes available.

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use some air/eletric attacks to perma stun them. They got no magic armor. I did it just by swapping some runes.

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With 5 persuasion and 25 int I failed Grog's speech check. Seems like you get forced into this quest.

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I sit possible to pass Grog's speech check about the high bridge tolls?

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Terrain transmutation using lava from the cloisterwood or deathfog from the coast allow one shotting Grog. A strategy I've used a few times to avoid trying to get close enough to a creature to transmute terrain without triggering conversation is to cast On the Edge on myself, then Shackles of Pain on Grog, initiating combat, Grog freaks out and attack but didn't have his armor up when I cast, and then I step into lava or deathfog. I might die as a result but this works on any character you can get their physical armor down on, Grog was the first I tried it on, I did it later on "a floating boss in an area with lots of lava which kept spreading" and at one point I did it to "an enormous oceanic type creature that kept spamming summons, by doing an overpower, shackles of pain, and smashing a deathfog barrel on myself."

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After messing with this quest for hours, it seems the only way to successfully close this quest (while sparing Marg) is to talk to Grog *first*, agree to look into it and then tell Marg about Grog's offer (Choose that option FIRST). You then have to back out of the conversation (take your leave). Otherwise, if you go through any of the dialog regarding paying the "toll", etc, you will not be able to turn the quest in after killing Grog. Additionally, only the character who first talked to Grog/Marg seems to have the options necessary to further the quest.

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Another way to kill them all: Learn transmutation skill in Polymorph branches, then use the skill to transfer the deathfog around the dock to the bridges, once you get involve in the battle, just cast the skill again to where gorg and marg stands, then kill them with a direct death

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Killed Marg , quest log states that Marg is dead. Can't report it to Gorg though, there just isn't a dialogue option for it. So I killed Gorg too and the quest is now marked as complete.

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Burning causes trolls to die without regen. You can kill with chain stun and burning fire spells.

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thats whats called the infinite damage loop attack they will die before they regen as its a 1 turn skill just set it up for the shackles to hit first can also let a summon initiate combat so he dies to the stupid dmage from them

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dont forget tho the healed target needs necro +1 "soul bonded"

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just use shackles of pain on him with a undead use living on the edge on the undead then use soul mate on the undead with a non undead char then heal the living soul bonded player.

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Killing Marg kinda sucks, but my OCD in closing the quest outweighs his life.

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JUst kill him.
Next to him theres a green flower. Teleport that flower up until it reaches his bridge, then stay at max range and have 2 characters with teleport stand at max range.
one of the characters will cast a fire spell on the cloud of poison.
then the troll will be lit.
Just keep teleporting the gaz flower next to him and shoot firespells at the start of the gaz cloud.

DO NOT EVER TARGET THE TROLL. shoot the gaz.
You'll be able to kill him in less then 2 min (he has 10k hp)

EASTYYYY

Plus he has a legendary ring!!!

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Killed Grog, can't tell Marg that grog is dead........ ANOTHER bugged quest.

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