Business Rivals

Location Cloisterwood
Suggested Level 10+
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Business Rivals is a Quest in Divinity: Original Sin II. Short description goes here.



Important NPCs



Business Rivals Objectives

  1. Help Marg get rid of Grog, or get rid of Marg 


Business Rivals Walkthrough


Grog the Troll and Marg the Troll have a competing business, both want you to kill the other. But be very careful, both are formidable enemies that can single strike some of your weaker characters. Before you fight the trolls, make sure you are prepared and game saved.

You can pass the persuasion check to ask Gorg to lower the bridge tolls. He will allow you to pass with 4997 gold.

If you chose to kill Grog for Marg, after Grog's death Marg will choose to implement Grog's business tactics and charge 15000 gold to cross in the future.

 If you chose to kill Marg, upon returning to him Grog will give you a dialog option to increase the reward, but choosing this option yields no real results. He will give a small reward and grant the main speaking character the skill Reactive Armour.

Tips & Tricks

  • Applying "burning" to Grog and "poisoned" to Marg removes their troll blood regeneration effect. This is hinted at in the "T is for Trolls" book found in-game throughout Driftwood.
  • Keep your distance and use your summons and stuns to skip his turn. gl!
  • If you don't kill any of the trolls, Grog the Troll will block the log bridge to Arx and the only toll he'll want is BLOOD.
  • Killing Grog gives 38000 Experience and has chance to drop legendary item.

    • Anonymous

      31 Oct 2018 19:00  

      Killed Marg with one of those poison flowers and tagged him last second to get XP. Then talked to Grog and he went to Mary's bridge and I put an oil barrel on the poison flower near Grog and used a fire bomb near him but didn't hit him with it, then tagged him last second too. Easy to and loot.

      • Anonymous

        24 Oct 2018 09:55  

        You can attack the troll you finished quest for as they walk over to new bridge, they will have increased in level by a bit but if you can stunlock them and keep them afflicted so they can't use their troll blood then you can easily take them on. Got a lvl 18 ring, which is a huge boost as a level 14.

        • Anonymous

          03 Oct 2018 09:38  

          Opened up with a quick freeze lock, then kept him permalocked using a rotation of electricity stun, silence + atrophy, and charm, all while keeping him aflame with Necrofire. Took me 20 minutes to drop him but very happy with result: got a nice level 18 legendary ring that gives 185 magic armor, and my party is only level 11. Big advantage, having a high level item like this with a mid-level party. Can't recommend Necrofire enough for this fight - having a Necrofire Champion Incarnate fully buffed really trivializes the fight if you can keep him locked down.

          • Anonymous

            25 Sep 2018 21:33  

            I polymorphed a lava patch under Marg and it healed him for the sum total of his health every tick. He's immune to fire damage. Poison kills him. The hungry flower made short work of him.

            • Anonymous

              21 Jul 2018 15:38  

              Teleport the green noxious blub from further up the path near driftwood onto Marg's bridge and watch it slowly remove his health. When it gets down to about 500, have a conversation with him and tell him its time for fisticuffs. Then watch has he dies from the poison whilst moving into position to attack you. Shortest fight in history.

              • Anonymous

                20 Jul 2018 23:54  

                Killed em both. Pretty good rings as drops. The trick is to stun lock them and keep either poison or burning on depending on which troll it is.

                • Anonymous

                  03 Jun 2018 12:16  

                  Grog is pretty easy to kill. Just use Air spells to stun him and use Cripple/Atrophy/Blind so he has trouble fighting back.

                  • Anonymous

                    03 Jun 2018 12:12  

                    If you're having problems turning in the quest to Marg after killing Grog. If you are approaching Marg's bridge from the direction of Cloisterwood, cross it (if possible). Move away and approach from the other side. This should trigger Marg to speak with you and you will be able to tell him that Grog is dead.

                    • Anonymous

                      02 May 2018 16:47  

                      Supreme cheese way to kill Grog. All you need it the polymorph ability to switch surfaces. Go to where Hannag is (Cloisterwood), on the outside wall there is lava, switch this surface with any empty surface (or any surface) towards the direction of Grog. Do this 3-4 times landing the last surface switch where Grog paces and he will instantly die. More cheese: Before hitting Grog with the lava (so one surface switch prior to the last), initiate combat with the surface switcher (high initiative helps) and port the surface onto Grog (this will get the XP points for the kill). de

                      • Anonymous

                        07 Mar 2018 02:31  

                        When you do the persuasion and you have the Soldier trait, choose it. He'll be happy with the advice you give him and charge you 1 gold to cross the bridge.

                        • Anonymous

                          01 Mar 2018 16:55  

                          How to cheese grog, there is a green noxious bulb to the right of the bridge. Have someone with the teleport skill to teleport the bulb to grog's location. After grog is in the poison cloud throw a firebomb grenade at a distance to not agro grog. Laugh as grog repeatedly gets damaged by necrofire and explosions from the gas clouds.

                          • Anonymous

                            09 Feb 2018 18:15  

                            I talked t grog, failed persuasion, then got quest to kill marg. Went to marg, talked to him immediately mentioned grog wanted him dead. then agreed grog should be the one to go, continued conversation asking bout the trolls day, then chose the option to nod and move past him, and he stopped me, i asked him to lower the price, then told him about the voidwoken fight to escape fort joy. he let me cross for 1 gold.
                            Didnt have to kill either troll.

                            • Anonymous

                              26 Jan 2018 21:53  

                              I have killed Marg, and when i will talk do Grog not have change, only options of attack him or tell marg has offer the same.
                              Like if a don't have killed marg. Quest Bug

                              • Anonymous

                                03 Jan 2018 02:10  

                                So here is the way to pay only 3 Gold for entry.

                                1. Talk with grog, get quest to kill marg
                                2. talk with marg, tell him about the quest. Leave with the remark to kill the real one
                                3. go to grog. TALK with him first and tell him about margs regards. Kill him.
                                4. go to marg tell him about grog's death and pay the reduced fee of 3 gold with the condition to tell about voidwalken stories.

                                How to kill grog at lvl 9-10 (what I did)
                                He is not immune to charmed and stunned. Grog does not have magical armor. Begin with charmed arrow or respective skill in summoning.
                                reduce his physical armor, burn everything (fire arrow/necrofire with cursed potion flasks if you have those)
                                from there on either have many chars with shocking skills or weapons with high chance to stun. continue to stun and burn him.
                                about 10-15minutes later he should be dead.
                                (a great way to keep burning him is to have a summoner with totems/incarnate and make them fire elemental.

                                this way he is stunned throughout the match and you can keep damaging him until he is done.
                                Enjoy being awesome! :)

                                • 11 Dec 2017 06:45  

                                  Your quest may be bugged.

                                  I first spoke to Marg and told the story in order to gain entry. I then spoke with Grog and received the Business Rivals quest. I returned to Marg to complete the quest, and had the dialog options to choose to attack Grog instead.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    04 Dec 2017 17:59  

                                    If you talk to Marg first and tell him a story to pass the bridge then when you meet Grog later and ask you to kill Marg, you won't have any interaction with Marg anymore, only option is to kill him. So talk to Grog first or do not talk about crossing the bridge to Marg first

                                    • Anonymous

                                      28 Oct 2017 11:08  

                                      1) I couldn't report to Marg that Grog was dead, I think it's on a similar timer to merchant refreshes, just do some other quests a while and come back you should be able to report to Marg that Grog is dead. Probably similar if you kill Marg.

                                      2) The rest the comments have a lot of creative ways to win. I just examined the trolls with high enough loremaster in the group to determine their weaknesses and resists. Whatever element they have negative resists on will remove their regen status effect "troll blood". Have a tank char setup, up front.

                                      3) Grog has better loot than Marg btw.

                                      3)*spoiler* If you kill Grog, Marg will "adopt some of his business practices". This forces you to either pay 15k gold to cross the bridge or fight him I could be wrong but I didn't see an option to just leave without crossing the bridge. A lesson about competition in there I suppose. Still made me sad to kill him though :( *spoiler*

                                      • Anonymous

                                        25 Oct 2017 09:22  

                                        If you kill Marg, you can go back to Grog and go through the same dialog you had with him before. Eventually the option to tell him marg is dead becomes available.

                                        • Anonymous

                                          24 Oct 2017 12:10  

                                          use some air/eletric attacks to perma stun them. They got no magic armor. I did it just by swapping some runes.

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